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From: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>
To: "Jerome Brunet" <jbrunet@baylibre.com>
Cc: "Neil Armstrong" <neil.armstrong@linaro.org>,
	"Michael Turquette" <mturquette@baylibre.com>,
	"Stephen Boyd" <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	"Kevin Hilman" <khilman@baylibre.com>,
	"Martin Blumenstingl" <martin.blumenstingl@googlemail.com>,
	linux-amlogic@lists.infradead.org, linux-clk@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Mark Brown" <broonie@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] clk: amlogic: axg-audio: select RESET_MESON_AUX
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2024 18:21:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4206bf5d-a11e-4d0d-86b7-50c922e41119@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1jjzcn1hiu.fsf@starbuckisacylon.baylibre.com>

On Thu, Nov 28, 2024, at 16:53, Jerome Brunet wrote:
> On Thu 28 Nov 2024 at 16:34, "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2024, at 16:06, Jerome Brunet wrote:
>>> We are deviating a bit from the initial regression reported by Mark.
>>> Is Ok with you to proceed with that fix and then continue this discussion
>>> ?
>>
>> I really don't want to see those stray 'select' statements
>> in there, as that leave very little incentive for anyone to
>> fix it properly.
>>
>> It sounds like Stephen gave you bad advice for how it should
>> be structured, so my best suggestion would be to move the
>> the problem (and the reset driver) back into his subsystem
>> and leave only a simple 'select RESET_CONTROLLER'.
>
> Okay, though I don't really understand why that select is okay and not
> the the proposed one. There is apparently a subtility I'm missing I'd
> like to avoid repeating that.

The thing with 'select' is that it really has to be used very
selectively. The 'select RESET_CONTROLLER' is fine as an
exception because there are already tons of clk drivers
that do this consistently so they can register themselves
as a reset controller.

A driver selecting a driver from another subsystem is pretty
much always a mistake. A single one may not cause much harm,
but the problems are frequent enough that we need to have
fewer of them rather than more.

>> From the message you cited, I think Stephen had the right
>> intentions ("so that the clk and reset drivers are decoupled"),
>> but the end result did not actually do what he intended
>> even if you did what he asked for.
>>
>> Stephen, can you please take a look here and see if you
>> have a better idea for either decoupling the two drivers
>> enough to avoid the link time dependency, or to reintegrate
>> the reset controller code into the clk driver and avoid
>> the complexity?
>
> If I may,
>
> * short term fix: revert both your fix and the initial clock
>   change that needed fixing. That will essentially bring back the reset
>   implementation in clock.
>
> * after that: remove the creation part from driver/reset and bring back
>   something similar to what was proposed in the initial RFC for the
>   creation and finally switch the clock driver back to it.
>   That should provide the proper decoupling your are requesting I think.

Works for me as well, though Mark's suggestion would be simpler.

     Arnd

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-28 17:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-27 18:47 Jerome Brunet
2024-11-27 19:00 ` Mark Brown
2024-11-27 19:30 ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-11-27 20:56   ` Jerome Brunet
2024-11-27 21:23     ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-11-28 13:33       ` Jerome Brunet
2024-11-28 14:11         ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-11-28 14:39           ` Jerome Brunet
2024-11-28 14:51             ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-11-28 15:06               ` Jerome Brunet
2024-11-28 15:34                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-11-28 15:52                   ` Mark Brown
2024-11-28 15:57                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-11-28 16:02                       ` Jerome Brunet
2024-11-28 15:53                   ` Jerome Brunet
2024-11-28 17:21                     ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2024-12-03  2:53                   ` Stephen Boyd
2024-12-03 11:15                     ` Jerome Brunet
2024-12-03 20:15                       ` Stephen Boyd
2024-12-03 22:22                         ` Mark Brown
2024-12-03 22:32                           ` Stephen Boyd
2024-12-03 22:59                             ` Mark Brown
2024-12-04 17:19                         ` Jerome Brunet
2024-12-04 20:05                           ` Stephen Boyd
2024-12-04 20:10                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-12-03 12:43                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-12-03 20:21                       ` Stephen Boyd

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