From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751279AbdJBMSC (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Oct 2017 08:18:02 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:58224 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751075AbdJBMSB (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Oct 2017 08:18:01 -0400 DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mx1.redhat.com 62FBF820E4 Authentication-Results: ext-mx02.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=redhat.com Authentication-Results: ext-mx02.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com; spf=fail smtp.mailfrom=pbonzini@redhat.com Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] KVM PV To: George Dunlap Cc: Lai Jiangshan , Juergen Gross , Rusty Russell , lguest@lists.ozlabs.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, the arch/x86 maintainers , LKML , Ingo Molnar , "H. Peter Anvin" , xen-devel , Boris Ostrovsky , Thomas Gleixner References: <4102561f-b403-735e-a18a-7c55db57df74@redhat.com> <2066229454.9340650.1506742781667.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> From: Paolo Bonzini Message-ID: <4ba6c3a0-85cd-4297-b4ed-4b859b953345@redhat.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 14:17:54 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.26]); Mon, 02 Oct 2017 12:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 02/10/2017 12:36, George Dunlap wrote: >>> Although I'm not business man, I don't think the top cloud provider[s] >>> would allow nested virtualization, however mature nested virtualization >>> is. Even xen-pv is unable to be nested in the aws and azure. >> >> Check the contributors to KVM nested virtualization, you might be surprised. >> >> Nested Xen PV is not possible because the Xen hypervisor cannot run as a PV guest.>> It's a technical limitation. > > Minor correction: Xen can't run on AWS as a PV guest, but it can run > as an L1 hypervisor inside any "fully virtualized" VM (as both AWS and > Azure provide), and provide PV L2 guests. Yes, that's what I meant. Thanks George! Paolo