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From: Mirela Rabulea <mirela.rabulea@nxp.com>
To: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Rishikesh Donadkar <r-donadkar@ti.com>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	tomi.valkeinen@ideasonboard.com, mchehab@kernel.org,
	robh@kernel.org, krzk+dt@kernel.org, conor+dt@kernel.org,
	nm@ti.com, vigneshr@ti.com, kristo@kernel.org,
	mripard@kernel.org, jai.luthra@linux.dev,
	jai.luthra@ideasonboard.com, devarsht@ti.com,
	y-abhilashchandra@ti.com, laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com
Subject: Re: Re: [RFC PATCH 6/8] media: i2c: ov2312: add Omnivison OV2312 driver
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2026 16:55:25 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <577b34a1-4c2f-487d-a4fa-e7ede2b60091@nxp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <asSk9KW-lzuiUJa3@kekkonen.localdomain>

Hi Sakari,

On 10/6/26 10:36, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> Hi Mirela,
>
> On Fri, Oct 02, 2026 at 07:16:11PM +0300, Mirela Rabulea wrote:
>> Laurent, Hans, Sakari,
>>
>> did you encounter similar situations? Any comments or proposals? The concern
>> here, to summarize, is: v4l2 control cannot be committed to sensor registers
>> right away (even when streaming) and we are also unsure when the right
>> moment to perform the register access may come.
> In practice there's little the kernel overall can do about this: the timing
> of everything is handled by the userspace. Drivers that aren't directly in
> control of the data path don't even have frame timing information and even
> if we did pass that to drivers, I²C writes always have some uncertainty
> (system scheduling, I²C access failures etc.), so one needs to be prepared
> to failing to do the writes in time, which would further complicate the
> UAPI.

On the kerne side, what would help would be a way to make an atomic 
operation out of an i2c read (the status register to determine the 
active context) plus a group hold update (a few i2c register writes). I 
don't know if that is possible.

On the v4l2 API side, I believe the current expectation is that upon 
s_ctrl, if the value was accepted by the kernel, it will return success, 
but user-space should not assume frames will immediately reflect the new 
values.

Traditionally, with drivers I have seen so far, if s_ctrl is applied 
while streaming, it is applied immediately (but fail in case of i2c 
access failure). Upon success, captured frames will reflect the values 
after N+1 or N+2.

>
> Do you have libcamera in userspace or something else?

Yes, we experienced with libcamera. I can also reproduce the unwanted 
behavior with v4l2-ctl streaming + i2ctranfer script that stress the 
group hold writes.

If we were to place the responsibility on userspace/libcamera, than 
libcamera should be able to handle this:

- after a successful s_ctrl, captured frames will reflect the values 
after not N+2 but  X+N+2, where X can be anything because we do not know 
when we catch the right context to do the group hold access

- do not expect s_ctrl to fail, unless the value was not accepted; i2c 
access failures cannot be catched, because we cannot apply the control 
value instantly

- a control value may get accidentally applied to the wrong stream; 
because VC takes effect at frame N+1 and exposure and gain settings take 
effect at frame N+2, if the group write timing is improper, these may 
get out of sync; so user-space may see frames optimized for RGB on the 
stream that was supposed to be optimized for Ir or vice-versa, as 
confirmed by RishiKesh and Jai on ov2312.

- embedded data information may help identify what settings were 
actually applied for a particular captured frame (if embedded data is 
available reliably)

Regards,

Mirela

>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> Sakari Ailus

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-06 13:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-25 13:29 [RFC PATCH 0/8] Add OmniVision OV2312 RGB-IR sensor driver Rishikesh Donadkar
2026-09-25 13:29 ` [RFC PATCH 1/8] dt-bindings: media: Add bindings for Omnivision OV2312 Rishikesh Donadkar
2026-09-26 14:51   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-09-25 13:29 ` [RFC PATCH 2/8] media: v4l: Add 10-bit RGBIr formats Rishikesh Donadkar
2026-09-26 14:30   ` Sakari Ailus
2026-09-26 14:40     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-09-27  5:09       ` Rishikesh Donadkar
2026-09-27  5:08     ` Rishikesh Donadkar
2026-09-27  5:59       ` Sakari Ailus
2026-09-25 13:29 ` [RFC PATCH 3/8] media: i2c: ds90ub960: " Rishikesh Donadkar
2026-09-25 13:29 ` [RFC PATCH 4/8] media: cadence: csi2rx: Add RAW10 " Rishikesh Donadkar
2026-09-26 14:52   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-09-27  5:20     ` Rishikesh Donadkar
2026-09-27 14:19       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-09-25 13:29 ` [RFC PATCH 5/8] media: ti: j721e-csi2rx: " Rishikesh Donadkar
2026-09-25 13:29 ` [RFC PATCH 6/8] media: i2c: ov2312: add Omnivison OV2312 driver Rishikesh Donadkar
2026-10-02 16:16   ` Mirela Rabulea
2026-10-03  2:05     ` Jai Luthra
2026-10-05 18:12       ` Mirela Rabulea
2026-10-06  5:19     ` Rishikesh Donadkar
2026-10-06 12:33       ` [EXT] " Mirela Rabulea
2026-10-06  7:36     ` Sakari Ailus
2026-10-06 13:55       ` Mirela Rabulea [this message]
2026-10-06 15:37         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-09-25 13:30 ` [RFC PATCH 7/8] arm64: dts: ti: k3-am62a7: FPDLink overlays for LI OV2312 Rishikesh Donadkar
2026-09-26 14:57   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-09-27  5:23     ` Rishikesh Donadkar
2026-09-25 13:30 ` [RFC PATCH 8/8] arm64: defconfig: Enable OV2312 Rishikesh Donadkar
2026-09-26 14:55   ` Laurent Pinchart

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