From: Daniel Stone <daniel@fooishbar.org>
To: Vidith Madhu <vmadhu@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Nicolas Frattaroli" <nicolas.frattaroli@collabora.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 06/25] drm/connector: hdmi: Add VTEM EMP generation
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2026 11:42:56 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPj87rO2+oSA7KtocG-M1hqgQTJO=3Qxmg-OMC5MmOLaja_kRg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a5bc012a-9b9e-eb2b-d67e-a91f2d93d6bf@nvidia.com>
Hi Vidith,
On Fri, 25 Sept 2026 at 04:49, Vidith Madhu <vmadhu@nvidia.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Sep 2026, Nicolas Frattaroli wrote:
> > + if (!crtc_state->vrr_enabled) {
> I don't think we should use the vrr_enabled CRTC property to determine
> VRR_EN in the VTEM EMP. Transitioning the VRR mode sink-side typically causes
> blanking, and it was discussed in patch [03/25] that drivers should be
> free to handle vrr_enabled changes as a seamless switch since it only
> concerns source-side VRR state (this is how the NVIDIA driver handles it).
> Maybe it would make sense to extend the qms_enabled connector property
> introduced in this patchset to an enum of {Off, Gaming, QMS}? This would allow
> a standard path to control the VRR state on the sink, separately from
> vrr_enabled.
I remain cautious of putting this amount of policy inside the kernel
and/or left to individual IHV choices. It's relatively obvious for
NVIDIA and AMD to say 'we'll always enable FRL/VRR to smash the
maximum rate (unless it's contraindicated by USB-C bandwidth somehow)
because the power burn is inconsequential', but if you were MediaTek
or Rockchip you'd probably make a different decision. Then again, if
you were an MTK device living on AC power, maybe you'd make the same
decision. Or maybe AMD would want to make a different decision on
laptop parts because the bandwidth is noticeable then.
The point is that I don't think we should bury this down in implicit
kernel state. I'm with you on surfacing this as an explicit connector
property. Possibly a bitmask of modes the user will use? e.g. {
frr_only = 0, maybe_gaming_vrr = (1 << 0), maybe_qms = (1 << 1), ...
}? Or perhaps just a flag for whether the link should be negotiated as
wide as possible or tight to the existing mode params?
Cheers,
Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-25 10:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-21 15:51 [PATCH RFC 00/25] VRR Target Rate Limiter KMS uAPI and Implementation Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 01/25] drm/edid: Add a query for vrr range Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 02/25] drm: Add VRR state Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-24 6:55 ` Vidith Madhu
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 03/25] drm/atomic-helper: Set mode_changed on vrr_enabled change Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 21:59 ` Leo Li
2026-09-22 12:53 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-22 13:22 ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-24 6:45 ` Vidith Madhu
2026-09-21 22:01 ` Leo Li
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 04/25] video/hdmi: Add VTEM EMP packing Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 05/25] drm/bridge: Add VTEM EMP support Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 06/25] drm/connector: hdmi: Add VTEM EMP generation Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-25 3:48 ` Vidith Madhu
2026-09-25 10:42 ` Daniel Stone [this message]
2026-09-25 11:11 ` Jani Nikula
2026-09-26 11:03 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-29 18:55 ` Vidith Madhu
2026-09-30 7:50 ` Michel Dänzer
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 07/25] drm/crtc-helper: Add VRR helper functions Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 08/25] drm/bridge: synopsys: Add VTEM EMP support Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 09/25] drm/connector: Add drm_display_info_is_vrr_capable Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 10/25] drm/rockchip: dw_hdmi_qp: Add VRR support Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 11/25] drm/rockchip: vop2: Enable VRR Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 12/25] drm/edid: Parse CinemaVRR flag from HDMI SCDS Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 13/25] drm: Add VRR target frame rate properties Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 22:23 ` Leo Li
2026-09-22 15:26 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-25 18:42 ` Leo Li
2026-09-26 12:13 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-28 8:10 ` Michel Dänzer
2026-09-29 14:34 ` Leo Li
2026-09-29 16:00 ` Michel Dänzer
2026-09-29 18:14 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-29 18:24 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-23 9:51 ` Michel Dänzer
2026-09-23 9:54 ` Michel Dänzer
2026-09-23 14:39 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-24 7:01 ` Vidith Madhu
2026-09-24 12:10 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-29 19:16 ` Vidith Madhu
2026-09-29 19:55 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-29 21:05 ` Vidith Madhu
2026-09-29 22:21 ` Xaver Hugl
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 14/25] drm: Implement VRR rate limiting Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 15/25] drm/edid: Parse QMS flag from HDMI SCDS Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 16/25] drm/edid: Parse QMS TFR min/max flags " Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 17/25] drm/connector: Add "qms_enabled" drm property Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 18/25] video/hdmi: Add support for QMS in VTEM EMP packing Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 19/25] drm/connector: hdmi: Add QMS to VTEM EMP generation Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 20/25] drm/connector: hdmi: Add QMS state validation and computation Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 21/25] drm/rockchip: dw_hdmi_qp: Add QMS support Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 22/25] drm/tests: hdmi: Add "Game Mode" VRR tests Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 23/25] drm/tests: hdmi: Add Fixed/Constrained rate " Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 24/25] drm/tests: hdmi: Add Quick Media Switching tests Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 25/25] drm/atomic: Disable VRR in helper_set_config Nicolas Frattaroli
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