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From: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Dionna Glaze <drdeeglaze@gmail.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2026 11:22:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aa00515a0f364fea0150cf1550a09d9400e4632f.camel@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261020140655.GV13920@nvidia.com>

On Tue, 2026-10-20 at 11:06 -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2026 at 09:45:13AM -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > On Mon, 2026-10-19 at 09:10 -0700, Dionna Glaze wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 5:08 AM Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Yeah, I was thinking about this and went back and forth. In the end, the
> > > > only reason for leaving it unbounded is to allow multiple independent
> > > > users of the same register. For example, IMA and systemd could share a
> > > > TDX RTMR. The systemd side would read the journal through the
> > > > attestation device and the IMA side through securityfs, but both are
> > > > views of the same journal. If one side truncated it, the other could no
> > > > longer replay the RTMR. Isn't this the valid usecase? Do you see how to
> > > > resolve this?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Bright minds have spent a significant amount of time working on this.
> > > 
> > > +Roberto Sassu, +Mimi Zohar
> > 
> > Dionna, thank you for including us in this discussion.
> > 
> > Based on my questioning AI, it sounds like the purpose of this patch set is to
> > introduce a vendor-agnostic common attestation subsystem framework that can act
> > as an internal kernel multiplexor for any measurement consumer, like IMA or
> > DRTM. By providing a direct kernel-to-kernel call path, it allows measurements
> > to be routed to different Roots of Trust (ROT)—such as physical motherboard
> > TPMs, Intel TDX RTMRs, AMD SEV-SNP registers, and PCIe SPDM devices—without
> > hardcoding IMA to specific device drivers.
> 
> Yeah, I would say that is the eventual goal, this patch series would
> be the first small step along those lines
> 
> > To support this framework, IMA requires a strict, atomic execution sequence to
> > maintain the Measure → Extend → Execute (Measure Before Use) guarantee. This
> > initializes early during the late_initcall phase within the initramfs (via
> > dracut).
> > 
> > If the new subsystem introduces a direct kernel-to-kernel multiplexing call
> > path, how will it ensure the mandatory synchronous wait behavior when extending
> > multiple hardware backends?
> 
> Everything has this 'measure before use' requirement. Why would this
> be hard? Just loop over all the configured measurement targets if
> thats the plan? Maybe I'm missing something?

As long as the measurements aren't queued, but actually wait for the multiple
ROTs to complete, it isn't a problem.

Mimi

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-20 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 184+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-15 14:50 Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 01/20] ctlv: Add the schema language and generator Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 22:31   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:23     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27  8:34     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 02/20] ctlv: Add the UAPI wire format and family API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:26     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:00   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-20 23:39     ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:54     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 18:55   ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-27  8:02     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27 14:15       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 14:48         ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-27 15:17           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 15:55             ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 03/20] ctlv: Add the root family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:28     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 12:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:07         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:30   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 16:25     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 04/20] Documentation: ctlv: Add userspace ABI Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:06     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  0:11   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22  9:01     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-23 19:23       ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-29 18:53   ` Sergii Dmytruk
2026-11-03 10:30     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 05/20] ctlv: Prepare message input handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  0:43   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22  8:27     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 18:39     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 12:55       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 10:17     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 06/20] ctlv: Prepare blob descriptor validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 07/20] ctlv: Prepare schema validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 08/20] ctlv: Prepare message output handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-02 19:19     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 09/20] ctlv: Prepare VA blob handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 10/20] ctlv: Prepare event queue support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  1:12   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22  9:04     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-26 14:45     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27 12:38   ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-11-02 12:49     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 11/20] ctlv: Prepare runtime introspection Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-26 14:52     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 16:12       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-30  9:40         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27 10:21     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-30  9:53     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-03  1:05       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-03  9:29         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-04 17:57           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 12/20] ctlv: Add device and operation dispatch Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  1:25   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22  9:05     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 18:43     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 12:58       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-23 14:26         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-26 13:48           ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 13:38     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 13/20] Documentation: ctlv: Describe how to write a family Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 14:23     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 14:49       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 16:24         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 16:48           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22  8:22             ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 19:21               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 13:01                 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 14/20] attestation: Add the base family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-29 10:04     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-29 18:43       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-29 19:38         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-30 15:02     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-30 15:05     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-04 17:54       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 15/20] attestation: Prepare provider and instance core Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 13:04     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-29 18:50   ` Sergii Dmytruk
2026-11-04  8:22     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 16/20] attestation: Prepare measurement register journal Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 17/20] attestation: Add CTLV operation handling Jiri Pirko
2026-11-04 19:11   ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-11-04 19:46     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 18/20] tdx-guest: Expose the native attestation service API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 10:03     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 19/20] attestation: Add the TDX family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 20/20] attestation: Add the TDX family implementation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 22:07   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-23 14:12     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 19:40       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-23 22:00         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-02 19:02           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-11-03  0:58             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 18:15     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-23 19:41       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-16 23:43 ` [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 18:16   ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-17 19:06     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:08       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:22         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 21:14         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:34     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 23:10         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-18 23:53           ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 12:08             ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 16:10               ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 22:56                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21  8:33                   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 14:12                     ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 14:35                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 19:05                         ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-22 10:54                           ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 11:24                             ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-22 18:51                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:19                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-22 19:23                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:40                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-22 19:40                                     ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 12:26                         ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 13:11                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 14:07                             ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 19:19                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:37                                 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-22 19:45                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:52                                     ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 20:43                                       ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20  9:26                 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 13:45                 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 14:06                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 15:22                     ` Mimi Zohar [this message]
2026-10-20 16:11                       ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-20 16:52                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 12:23                           ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 13:18                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-21 13:50                               ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-21 13:51                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 14:31                               ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 14:39                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 12:48                         ` James Bottomley
2026-10-21 13:55                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-19 12:40             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-19 23:11             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:49       ` James Bottomley
2026-10-20 13:13         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 10:30 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-10-22 15:38   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 16:42     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23  8:04     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-10-23 11:32       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-23 14:20       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 15:28         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-10-23 15:42           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 19:13             ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-03  8:38         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27 18:43 ` Dave Jiang
2026-10-27 19:36   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 23:09     ` Dave Jiang
2026-10-27 23:46       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-28 19:16         ` Dave Jiang
2026-10-29 14:09           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-29  9:32         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-29  9:30       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-29 10:07   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-29  7:37 ` Nikolay Borisov
2026-10-29 14:16   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-29 18:43 ` Sergii Dmytruk
2026-11-03 10:10   ` Jiri Pirko

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