From: Alexey Gladkov <legion@kernel.org>
To: Joel Granados <joel.granados@kernel.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Eric W . Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 17/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in SCTP sysctls
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 15:41:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqvuD9PwPkzDP2_i@example.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2ywlit7st4wqghx2lav6qc5bbcxbaln445fghjnwj5n7dg2w4v@ajhrrgm5ck4r>
On Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 02:26:01PM +0200, Joel Granados wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2026 at 06:14:43PM +0200, Alexey Gladkov wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2026 at 01:29:00PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > I detest this series.
> > >
> > > Maybe it makes technical sense, but as long as it makes no human
> > > visual sense, I'm NAK'ing it as being garbage.
> >
> > You are right that my approach added too many macros and made the tables
> > harder to read. Sorry.
> >
> > > On Wed, 26 Aug 2026 at 12:43, Alexey Gladkov <legion@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > [..]
> > >
> > > The whole series is full of complete illegible noise like this:
> > >
> > > > +static const struct sysctl_field sctp_net_table[] = {
> > > > + SYSCTL_FIELD_CUSTOM("rto_min", 0644, sizeof(unsigned int),
> > > > + sctp_rto_min_data, proc_sctp_do_rto_min),
> > > > + SYSCTL_FIELD_CUSTOM("rto_max", 0644, sizeof(unsigned int),
> > > > + sctp_rto_max_data, proc_sctp_do_rto_max),
> > > > + SYSCTL_FIELD_INT_MINMAX("pf_retrans", 0644, sctp_pf_retrans_data,
> > > > + SYSCTL_ZERO, sctp_ps_retrans_data),
> > > > + SYSCTL_FIELD_INT_MINMAX("ps_retrans", 0644, sctp_ps_retrans_data,
> > > > + sctp_pf_retrans_data, sctp_ps_retrans_max_data),
> > > > + SYSCTL_FIELD_STATIC_UINT_MINMAX("rto_initial", 0644,
> > > > + sctp_rto_initial_data,
> > > > + SYSCTL_UINT_ONE, &timer_max),
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > where apparently the indentation has been decided by a rodent on crack
> > > who was given an Ouija board and instructed to ask his dead ancestors
> > > what indentation to use.
> > >
> > > So no.
> > >
> > > That kind of complete random code is simply not acceptable.
> > >
> > > I don't know what the correct answer is, but it is *not* this series.
> > > It needs to be consistent and visually parseable by humans *without*
> > > asking your dead ancestors for help.
> > >
> > > And it's not just the indentation. That SYSCTL_FIELD_CUSTOM() thing
> > > needs to be usable and able to do some minimal type checking - not
> > > just passed a random sizeof() in a random argumentt. I'd suggest
> > > passing the actual type, and then checking that the type *matches* the
> > > data pointer it is passed too.
> > >
> > > The old code may be ugly too, and have various other warts, but at
> > > least it had somewhat legible and understandable initializers:
> > >
> > > {
> > > .procname = "prsctp_enable",
> > > .data = &init_net.sctp.prsctp_enable,
> > > .maxlen = sizeof(int),
> > > .mode = 0644,
> > > .proc_handler = proc_dointvec,
> > > },
> > >
> > > is at least something that can be read by a human and those things had
> > > consistent whitespace rather than some quantum randomness.
> > >
> > > And this is also just complete line noise that only makes the code worse:
> > >
> > > +#define SCTP_DATA(type, field) \
> > > +static type *sctp_ ## field ## _data(const struct sysctl_context *ctx) \
> > > +{ \
> > > + return &ctx->ns.net_ns->sctp.field; \
> > > +}
> > > +
> > > +#define SCTP_CUSTOM_DATA(field)
> > > \
> > > +static void *sctp_ ## field ## _data(const struct sysctl_context *ctx) \
> > > +{ \
> > > + return &ctx->ns.net_ns->sctp.field; \
> > > +}
> > > +
> > > +SCTP_CUSTOM_DATA(rto_min)
> > > +SCTP_CUSTOM_DATA(rto_max)
> > > +SCTP_DATA(int, pf_retrans)
> > > +SCTP_DATA(int, ps_retrans)
> > > +SCTP_DATA(unsigned int, rto_initial)
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > If we're doing these kinds of changes, the end result has to look
> > > *BETTER* than the thing it replaces, not worse.
> > >
> > > Yes, a few of the patches did look better. But the majority of them
> > > only looked worse. Some of it should be easy to fix: use consistent
> > > whitespace, and use sane argument ordering.
> > >
> > > But honestly, the old setup didn't *rely* on argument ordering, and
> > > used named initializers to make things more legible and robust.
> > >
> > > So I suspect that should be what you should aim for in the new setup
> > > too, and that probably means "completely different approach".
> > >
> > > Linus
> > >
> >
> > I tried an alternative based on offsets. The following four patches add the
> > infrastructure and convert IPC, SCTP, and MPLS as examples.
>
> The last 4 patches landed intertwined with the initial 30+ that you sent. Will
> you send a V2 with just the latest 4?
Yes, I want to prepare a patchset with a new implementation this weekend.
I want to split the patchset into several parts to make the review easier.
First, I want to create patches for proc_sysctls that add a new mechanism
and a few simple users, such as ipc_sysctls and mq_sysctls. Then I’ll
create a patchset for the network subsystem, ucounts and other large users
of dynamic sysctls.
I need to rebase to the current master branch because sashiko can't verify
my patches.
--
Rgrds, legion
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2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/30] proc: sysctl: address table entries by index Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/30] sysctl: add unsigned int limit constants Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/30] sysctl: add typed field descriptors Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/30] sysctl: use sysctl_field in ucounts Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/30] sysctl: ipc: use sysctl_field in mq_sysctl Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/30] sysctl: ipc: use sysctl_field in ipc_sysctl Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/30] sysctl: use sysctl_field in pid sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in unix sysctl Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in xfrm sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field for simple IPv4 per-net sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in IPv4 sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 12/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in IPv6 xfrm sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 13/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in IPv6 fragment sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 14/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in 6lowpan " Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 15/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in vsock sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 16/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in MPTCP sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 17/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in SCTP sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 20:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-08-29 16:14 ` Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-29 16:14 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] sysctl: add typed field descriptors Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-29 16:14 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] sysctl: ipc: use typed fields for IPC namespace sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-29 16:14 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] sctp: use typed fields for per-net sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-29 16:14 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] mpls: use typed fields for per-device sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-30 15:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 17/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in SCTP sysctls Linus Torvalds
2026-09-16 12:26 ` Joel Granados
2026-09-17 13:41 ` Alexey Gladkov [this message]
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 18/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in core IPv6 sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 19/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in net core per-net sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 20/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in SMC sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 21/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in VRF sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 22/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in RDS sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 23/30] sysctl: netfilter: use sysctl_field for per-net sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 24/30] sysctl: ipvs: " Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 25/30] sysctl: bridge: use sysctl_field for br_netfilter sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 26/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field for MPLS sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 27/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in IPv4 devconf sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 28/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in IPv6 " Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 29/30] sysctl: net: use sysctl_field in neighbour sysctls Alexey Gladkov
2026-08-26 19:42 ` [RFC PATCH v1 30/30] sysctl: parport: use sysctl_field for dynamic sysctls Alexey Gladkov
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