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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: Oliver Upton <oupton@kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	 Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
	 Steffen Eiden <seiden@linux.ibm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	 Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	 Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Fuad Tabba <fuad.tabba@linux.dev>,
	 Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
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	 Jack Thomson <jackabt@amazon.com>,
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	 Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>,
	Vincent Donnefort <vdonnefort@google.com>,
	 "Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>,
	Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	 Leo Soares Passos <Leo.Bras@arm.com>,
	Wei-Lin Chang <weilin.chang@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/14] KVM: Allow architectures to disallow pre-fault
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2026 10:36:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <arK8seJVT9wYgVCP@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <arK5ynpRi7VbY7Ek@gremlin>

On Tue, Sep 22, 2026, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 10:23:43AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Rather than have kvm_arch_vcpu_allow_pre_fault_memory(), what if we add a more
> > generic kvm_is_vcpu_loadable()?  That way we don't need to worry as much about
> > the return value, the connection to vcpu_load() is obvious, and we don't need to
> > add another pre-check if future (or cleaned-up existing?) ioctls want to do
> > vcpu_load() in common code.
> 
> ...this is exactly what I started out with.
> 
> But then you are in a pickle, because _really_ you need to do that check in
> vcpu_load(). Which is a void function. Which is called by every single
> architecture all over the place.
> 
> So you'd have actually no way of signalling the error back.
> 
> Of course those places are arch code and you could say 'arches should know
> better and if they call it it's fine not to call the arch 'can you load'
> function.

Yes, that's my vote.  It'd be easy enough to clarify that "rule" with a comment
in linux/kvm_host.h.

> But you're still stuck with the problem of where exactly you put this check.
> 
> So then do you put that check in a wrapper around it?
> 
> Instead you can make the predicate 'don't prefault on a not-yet-initialised
> vCPU' which is pretty sensible I think, have a specific place to put it and
> all's well with the world.

But look at it from an x86 perspective.  Pretty much everyone will look at this
and expect:

  bool kvm_arch_vcpu_allow_pre_fault_memory(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
  {
	return vcpu->kvm->arch.pre_fault_allowed;
  }

> > I'd also be tempted to say it can be a macro, not a __weak function.  E.g.
> 
> Yeah it can be many things but why would you want a macro if you could possibly
> avoid it? :)

Because it allows arch code to dererefence "struct kvm_vcpu" in kvm_host.h,
i.e. allows "inlining" the check.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-22 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-22 14:17 [PATCH v3 00/14] KVM: arm64: Add KVM_PRE_FAULT_MEMORY support Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 01/14] KVM: Allow architectures to disallow pre-fault Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 16:49   ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-22 17:23     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-22 17:30       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 17:36         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-09-22 18:01           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 18:40             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-22 18:52               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 18:07           ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-22 18:35             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 18:46               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-22 18:54                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 10:54             ` Fuad Tabba
2026-09-23 13:26               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 17:31     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 02/14] arm64: Add ESR fault helpers Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 17:00   ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-22 17:45     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 18:13       ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 03/14] KVM: arm64: Use ESR helpers in guest abort handling Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 04/14] KVM: arm64: Propagate and use esr in s2fd when handling guest aborts Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 05/14] KVM: arm64: Propagate and use mmu " Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 06/14] KVM: arm64: Propagate and use kvm_s2_fault_result on S2 fault Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 07/14] KVM: arm64: Size the stage-2 memcache from the fault MMU Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 08/14] KVM: arm64: Propagate EHWPOISON in kvm_s2_fault_pin_pfn() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 11:05   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 09/14] KVM: arm64: Pass walk flags to kvm_pgtable_get_leaf() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 11:07   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 10/14] KVM: arm64: Implement KVM_PRE_FAULT_MEMORY Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 11:18   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-09-23 13:28     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 13:32       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 13:33         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 11/14] Documentation: KVM: document arm64 KVM_PRE_FAULT_MEMORY Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 12/14] KVM: selftests: Enable pre_fault_memory_test for arm64 Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 13/14] KVM: selftests: Add option for different backing in pre-fault tests Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 14/14] KVM: selftests: Add nested pre-fault test for arm64 Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 20:42 ` [PATCH v3 00/14] KVM: arm64: Add KVM_PRE_FAULT_MEMORY support Oliver Upton
2026-09-23 10:03 ` Fuad Tabba

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