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From: Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Vineet Gupta <vineet.gupta@linux.dev>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	 Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	Martin KaFai Lau	 <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
	Yonghong Song	 <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	Emil Tsalapatis	 <emil@etsalapatis.com>,
	Ihor Solodrai <ihor.solodrai@linux.dev>,
	John Fastabend	 <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>, bpf	 <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:KERNEL SELFTEST FRAMEWORK"	
	<linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 03/13] bpf: track low-32 scalar equality across zero-extending movs
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2026 12:10:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e9aad352ba82dadd97a17867108b5db1865fa38d.camel@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DLL84IMPTRQF.3DOQQTN2KCAEW@gmail.com>

On Mon, 2026-09-21 at 18:59 +0000, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Mon Sep 21, 2026 at 5:28 PM UTC, Eduard Zingerman wrote:
> > On Wed, 2026-09-16 at 17:30 -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 5:08 PM Vineet Gupta <vineet.gupta@linux.dev> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > It ended up with full testsuite run parity - after 4 incremental patches.
> > > > But the pattern of all those patches was adding some predicate /
> > > > special-casing to reg->add_const
> > > > 
> > > > hunk 1
> > > > 
> > > > -       if (src_reg->add_const)
> > > > +       if (src_reg->add_const && src_reg->delta)
> > > 
> > > why? It should not.
> > > My point is that zero is not special.
> > > It should be handled within the current framework.
> > > All these extra hunks are not correct.
> > > ADD_CONST_32 logic should work for delta == 0 just like
> > > it works for delta == 1.
> > 
> > After thinking about it some more, I agree that having an orthogonal
> > encoding would be nice. However, it appears that the split should be
> > somewhat different:
> > 
> >   struct bpf_reg_state {
> >     ...
> >     s32 delta;
> >     u32 id;
> >     enum id_link_kind { full, zext, sext } link_kind;
> >     ...
> >   }
> > 
> > Where:
> > - id == 0 => no id link
> > - full => all 64-bits of the register are identical to
> >           all 64-bits of a scalar value `id' (let's call it X).
> >           ∀ rA{.id == X, .link == full}, rB{X,full} => rA == rB
> > - zext => lower 32-bits of the register are identical to
> >           lower 32-bits of a scalar value X,
> >           upper 32-bits of the register are null.
> >           ∀ rA{.id == X, .link == ?}, rB{X,zext} => rA % 32 == rB % 32
> > - sext => lower 32-bits of the register are identical to
> >           lower 32-bits of a scalar value X,
> >           upper 32-bits of the register are either 0 or 1,
> >           depending on the bit 31 value.
> >           ∀ rA{.id == X, .link == ?}, rB{X,sext} => sext(rA % 32) == sext(rB % 32)
> 
> hmm.
> there is also 32-bit link with delta, right?

My point is that delta is independent of 32-bit/64-bit property.
`delta' can be used to propagate in both directions:
- full 64 bit -> 32 bit sign/zero-extened
- 32 bit sign/zero-extened -> full 64-bit

> > The reason for such subdivision is that:
> > 
> >   (X + delta) % 32 == X % 32 + delta % 32 == X % 32 + delta iff delta < 2^32
> > 
> > Meaning that a non-zero delta can still be used to infer the state of
> > the lower 32-bits, e.g.:
> > - if  r1 = (X + delta) % 32
> > - and r2 = X
> > - and there is a comparison `if r1 < 42 goto ...`
> > 
> > This comparison adds constraints on lower bits of r1,
> > and it is correct to transfer these constraints to lower bits of r2
> > by subtracting delta from r1 and using lower bits of the result.
> 
> Not sure what you're arguing about.
> My only point is that 32-bit link with delta makes special
> handling of zext unnecessary.
> I still don't hear a strong reason why it needs to be handled
> outside of 32-bit-link-with-delta.

I'm arguing that the following encoding:
- ADD_CONST_32 (delta is valid, sign extend flag invalid)
- ADD_CONST_64 (delta is valid, sign extend flag invalid)
- sign extend flag (delta is invalid)

I strictly worse.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-21 19:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-10 16:46 [PATCH bpf-next v2 00/13] bpf: track scalar equality across the low 32 bits Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 16:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 01/13] bpf: move linked-scalar flags out of bpf_reg_state->id [NFC] Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 17:52   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-14 18:02     ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-16 21:03       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-16 21:21         ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-18 23:38         ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-12 18:50   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-15  1:17     ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-16 21:02       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-16 21:24         ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-17  0:36           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-10-02  8:03             ` Vineet Gupta
2026-10-02 11:23               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-18 23:13       ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-09-21 18:44         ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 16:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 02/13] bpf: compare linked-scalar kinds in regs_exact() Vineet Gupta
2026-09-12 18:51   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-15  1:11     ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 16:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 03/13] bpf: track low-32 scalar equality across zero-extending movs Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 17:52   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-11  9:29     ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-12 18:59   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-15 20:31     ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-16  4:23       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-17  0:08         ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-17  0:30           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-21 17:28             ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-09-21 18:59               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-21 19:10                 ` Eduard Zingerman [this message]
2026-09-21 19:27                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-21 19:44                     ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-09-21 21:55                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-21 22:17                         ` Eduard Zingerman
2026-09-21 22:25                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-10-02 13:59                             ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 16:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 04/13] selftests/bpf: cover the low-32 link for " Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 16:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 05/13] bpf: keep the range across a sign extension that cannot change it Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 17:52   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-11 10:37     ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-12 19:02   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-15 21:18     ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 16:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 06/13] selftests/bpf: cover sign extensions that cannot change the range Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 16:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 07/13] bpf: track low-32 scalar equality across sign-extending movs Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 17:52   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-11 10:00     ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-12 19:09   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-15 20:39     ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 16:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 08/13] selftests/bpf: cover the low-32 link for " Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 17:52   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-11  8:00     ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 16:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 09/13] bpf: track low-32 scalar equality across narrowing stack fills Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 16:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 10/13] selftests/bpf: cover the low-32 link for " Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 17:31   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-11  5:07     ` Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 16:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 11/13] bpf: record what a narrowing spill actually stores Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 16:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 12/13] bpf: track low-32 scalar equality across narrowing stack spills Vineet Gupta
2026-09-10 16:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 13/13] selftests/bpf: cover the low-32 link for " Vineet Gupta

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