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From: Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>, <rkuo@codeaurora.org>,
	<james.hogan@imgtec.com>, <jejb@parisc-linux.org>,
	<davem@davemloft.net>, <cmetcalf@mellanox.com>,
	arcml <linux-snps-arc@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] atomic: Fix atomic_set_release() for 'funny' architectures
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 10:28:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ecffd3a6-167b-c0ed-0121-1a3a4141f799@synopsys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170609111305.bn4ca4uscbp6pgxn@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 06/09/2017 04:13 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 01:05:06PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
>> The spinlock based atomics should be SC, that is, none of them appear to
>> place extra barriers in atomic_cmpxchg() or any of the other SC atomic
>> primitives and therefore seem to rely on their spinlock implementation
>> being SC (I did not fully validate all that).
> 
> So I did see that ARC and PARISC have 'superfluous' smp_mb() calls
> around their spinlock implementation.
> 
> That is, for spinlock semantics you only need one _after_ lock and one
> _before_ unlock. But the atomic stuff relies on being SC and thus would
> need one before and after both lock and unlock.

Right we discussed this a while back: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/6/11/276

At the time when I tried removing these extra barriers, hackbench regressed. I'm 
about to get a new quad core 1GHz chip (vs. the FPGA before) and will 
re-experiment. Likely we don't need it otherwise I will add a comment of this 
"feature"

> But ARC could probably optimize (if they still care about that hardware)
> by pulling out those barriers and putting it in the atomic
> implementation.

A bit confused here. Reading the lkml posting for this thread, you posted 2 
patches, and they had to do with atomic_set() for EZChip platform which is really 
special (no ll/sc). The extra smp_mb() is related to ll/sc variants. Just tryign 
to make sure that we are talking 2 different things here :-)

-Vineet

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-09 17:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-09  9:24 [RFC][PATCH]: documentation,atomic: Add a new atomic_t document Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-09 11:05 ` [RFC][PATCH] atomic: Fix atomic_set_release() for 'funny' architectures Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-09 11:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-09 17:28     ` Vineet Gupta [this message]
2017-06-09 18:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-09 18:58     ` James Bottomley
2017-06-09 14:03   ` Chris Metcalf
2017-08-10 12:10   ` [tip:locking/core] locking/atomic: " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-09 15:44 ` [RFC][PATCH]: documentation,atomic: Add a new atomic_t document Will Deacon
2017-06-09 19:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-11 13:56     ` Boqun Feng
2017-06-12 14:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-13  6:39         ` Boqun Feng
2017-06-14 12:33         ` Will Deacon
2017-07-12 12:53         ` Boqun Feng
2017-07-12 13:08           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 19:13             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-26 11:53         ` [RFC][PATCH v3]: documentation,atomic: Add new documents Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-26 12:47           ` Boqun Feng
2017-07-31  9:05             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-31 11:04               ` Boqun Feng
2017-07-31 17:43                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-08-01  2:14                   ` Boqun Feng
2017-08-01  9:01                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-01 10:19                     ` Will Deacon
2017-08-01 11:47                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-01 12:17                         ` Will Deacon
2017-08-01 12:52                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-01 16:14                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-08-01 16:42                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-01 16:53                               ` Will Deacon
2017-08-01 22:18                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-08-02  8:46                                 ` Will Deacon
2017-08-01 18:37                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-08-02  9:45                             ` Will Deacon
2017-08-02 16:17                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-08-03 14:05                               ` Boqun Feng
2017-08-03 14:55                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-08-03 16:12                                   ` Will Deacon
2017-08-03 16:58                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-08-01 13:35                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-26 16:28           ` Randy Dunlap
2017-06-09 18:15 ` [RFC][PATCH]: documentation,atomic: Add a new atomic_t document Randy Dunlap

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