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From: "Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
	Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
	Nigel Cunningham <nigel@tuxonice.net>,
	Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>,
	Ming Lei <tom.leiming@gmail.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api.
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:35:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <h2wd6200be21004281635x9740a6abl2664a1eef8be061d@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201004282313.50603.rjw@sisk.pl>

2010/4/28 Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl>:
> On Wednesday 28 April 2010, Alan Stern wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, [UTF-8] Arve Hjønnevåg wrote:
>>
>> > +For example, in cell phones or other embedded systems, where powering the screen
>> > +is a significant drain on the battery, suspend blockers can be used to allow
>> > +user-space to decide whether a keystroke received while the system is suspended
>> > +should cause the screen to be turned back on or allow the system to go back into
>> > +suspend. Use set_irq_wake or a platform specific api to make sure the keypad
>> > +interrupt wakes up the cpu. Once the keypad driver has resumed, the sequence of
>> > +events can look like this:
>> > +
>> > +- The Keypad driver gets an interrupt. It then calls suspend_block on the
>> > +  keypad-scan suspend_blocker and starts scanning the keypad matrix.
>> > +- The keypad-scan code detects a key change and reports it to the input-event
>> > +  driver.
>> > +- The input-event driver sees the key change, enqueues an event, and calls
>> > +  suspend_block on the input-event-queue suspend_blocker.
>> > +- The keypad-scan code detects that no keys are held and calls suspend_unblock
>> > +  on the keypad-scan suspend_blocker.
>> > +- The user-space input-event thread returns from select/poll, calls
>> > +  suspend_block on the process-input-events suspend_blocker and then calls read
>> > +  on the input-event device.
>> > +- The input-event driver dequeues the key-event and, since the queue is now
>> > +  empty, it calls suspend_unblock on the input-event-queue suspend_blocker.
>> > +- The user-space input-event thread returns from read. If it determines that
>> > +  the key should leave the screen off, it calls suspend_unblock on the
>> > +  process_input_events suspend_blocker and then calls select or poll. The
>> > +  system will automatically suspend again, since now no suspend blockers are
>> > +  active.
>> > +
>> > +                 Key pressed   Key released
>> > +                     |             |
>> > +keypad-scan          ++++++++++++++++++
>> > +input-event-queue        +++          +++
>> > +process-input-events       +++          +++
>>
>> This is better than before, but it still isn't ideal.  Here's what I
>> mean:
>>
>> >  suspend blockers can be used to allow
>> > +user-space to decide whether a keystroke received while the system is suspended
>> > +should cause the screen to be turned back on or allow the system to go back into
>> > +suspend.
>>
>> That's not right.  Handling the screen doesn't need suspend blockers:
>> The program decides what to do and then either turns on the screen or
>> else writes "mem" to /sys/power/state.

That does not work though. Unless every key turns the screen on you
will have a race every time the user presses a key you want to ignore.

>>  What suspend blockers add is
>> the ability to resolve races and satisfy multiple constraints when
>> going into suspend -- which has nothing to do with operating the
>> screen.

I'm not sure I agree with this. You cannot reliably turn the screen on
from user space when the user presses a wakeup-key without suspend
blockers.

>>
>> I _think_ what you're trying to get at can be expressed this way:
>>
>>       Here's an example showing how a cell phone or other embedded
>>       system can handle keystrokes (or other input events) in the
>>       presence of suspend blockers.  Use set_irq_wake...

OK, but the last version was what you (Alan) suggested last year.

>>
>>       ...
>>
>>       - The user-space input-event thread returns from read.  It
>>       carries out whatever activities are appropriate (for example,
>>       powering up the display screen, running other programs, and so
>>       on).  When it is finished, it calls suspend_unblock on the
>>       process_input_events suspend_blocker and then calls select or
>>       poll.  The system will automatically suspend again when it is
>>       idle and no suspend blockers remain active.
>
> Yeah, that sounds better.  Arve, what do you think?
>

Idle is irrelevant and needs to be removed. This new last step is also
no longer a concrete example, but if you really think is it better I
can change it.

>> > +/**
>> > + * suspend_block() - Block suspend
>> > + * @blocker:       The suspend blocker to use
>> > + *
>> > + * It is safe to call this function from interrupt context.
>> > + */
>> > +void suspend_block(struct suspend_blocker *blocker)
>> > +{
>> > +   unsigned long irqflags;
>> > +
>> > +   if (WARN_ON(!(blocker->flags & SB_INITIALIZED)))
>> > +           return;
>> > +
>> > +   spin_lock_irqsave(&list_lock, irqflags);
>> > +   blocker->flags |= SB_ACTIVE;
>> > +   list_del(&blocker->link);
>> > +
>> > +   if (debug_mask & DEBUG_SUSPEND_BLOCKER)
>> > +           pr_info("suspend_block: %s\n", blocker->name);
>> > +
>> > +   list_add(&blocker->link, &active_blockers);
>>
>> Here and in suspend_unblock(), you can use list_move() in place of
>> list_del() followed by list_add().
>

OK.

> Indeed.  And the debug statement might be moved out of the critical section IMHO.
>

If I move the debug statements out of the critical section you could
end entering suspend while the debug log claims a suspend blocker was
active, but I can move the debug statement to the start of the
critical section.

-- 
Arve Hjønnevåg

  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-28 23:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-28  4:31 [PATCH 0/9] Suspend block api (version 5) Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28  4:31 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28  4:31   ` [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspend blockers from user-space Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28  4:31     ` [PATCH 3/8] PM: suspend_block: Abort task freezing if a suspend_blocker is active Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28  4:31       ` [PATCH 4/8] PM: suspend_block: Add debugfs file Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28  4:31         ` [PATCH 5/8] PM: suspend_block: Add suspend_blocker stats Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28  4:31           ` [PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28  4:31             ` [PATCH 7/8] Input: Block suspend while event queue is not empty Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28  4:31               ` [PATCH 8/8] power_supply: Block suspend while power supply change notifications are pending Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28  6:06             ` [PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work Pavel Machek
2010-04-28  6:44             ` Tejun Heo
2010-04-28  7:02               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28  7:18                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-04-28 19:40             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-04-28 20:22               ` Tejun Heo
2010-04-28 21:08                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-29 18:58                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-04-29 19:44                     ` [PATCH 0/2] workqueue fixlets (Was: PM: Add suspend blocking work.) Oleg Nesterov
2010-04-29 19:45                       ` [PATCH 1/2] workqueues: flush_delayed_work: keep the original workqueue for re-queueing Oleg Nesterov
2010-04-30  5:15                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-04-29 19:45                       ` [PATCH 2/2] workqueues: export keventd_wq Oleg Nesterov
2010-04-30  5:16                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-04-30  5:39                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30  5:52                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-04-30 18:05                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-04-30 18:11                                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-04-29 21:08                     ` [PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-28 21:09               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-28 22:09                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28 22:19                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-29  3:47                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-29 21:09                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-28  5:07       ` [PATCH 3/8] PM: suspend_block: Abort task freezing if a suspend_blocker is active Pavel Machek
2010-04-28 20:58     ` [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspend blockers from user-space Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-28 22:31       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28 23:05         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-28 23:38           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-29 21:11             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-29 23:41               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-28  6:07   ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Pavel Machek
2010-04-28 19:13   ` Alan Stern
2010-04-28 21:13     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-28 23:35       ` Arve Hjønnevåg [this message]
2010-04-29 15:41         ` Alan Stern
2010-04-29 23:39           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 14:41             ` Alan Stern
2010-04-28 20:50   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-29  3:37     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-29 21:16       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-04-30  4:24         ` Tejun Heo
2010-04-30 17:26           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-20  8:30             ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-20 22:27               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-21  6:35                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-06 15:18   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-06 19:28     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-06 19:40       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-06 23:48         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-07 14:22           ` Alan Stern
2010-04-30 22:36 [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-04-30 22:36 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-02  6:56   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 20:10     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-02 20:52       ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-02 21:29         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 19:01           ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-03 21:38             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-03 22:11               ` Alan Stern
2010-05-03 22:24                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-02  7:01   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-14  4:11 [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 7) Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 13:11   ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-20  9:11     ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20  9:26       ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20 22:18         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-21  6:04           ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-27 15:41           ` Pavel Machek

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