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From: Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>
To: "Adrián Larumbe" <adrian.larumbe@collabora.com>
Cc: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>,
	Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Simona Vetter <simona@ffwll.ch>,
	Faith Ekstrand <faith.ekstrand@collabora.com>,
	"Marty E. Plummer" <hanetzer@startmail.com>,
	Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu@tomeuvizoso.net>,
	Eric Anholt <eric@anholt.net>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Philipp Zabel <p.zabel@pengutronix.de>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Collabora Kernel Team <kernel@collabora.com>,
	Neil Armstrong <neil.armstrong@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 12/15] drm/panfrost: Skip cache flush/invalidate when enabling perfcnt
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2026 14:28:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <65ce6b05-1afb-4b01-b529-fb218b154539@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <179130812939.1018806.2045583346110052897.b4-reply@b4>

On 06/10/2026 18:35, Adrián Larumbe wrote:
> On 2026-10-05 17:05:14+01:00, Steven Price wrote:
>> On 05/10/2026 16:37, Boris Brezillon wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Oct 2026 16:06:02 +0100
>>> Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hm, I'd say it's actually impossible because every unmap operation is
>>> followed by a flush+inval of the GPU L2 and LSC, so for this stale
>>> clean line to exist on the GPU side when a physical page is GPU-mapped
>>> again, it would take a bug in the unmap logic or in the MMU HW, I
>>> think. Am I missing something?
>>
>> Ah, yes that's true :) Although there's no need for us to do an
>> invalidate on the unmap path...
> 
> Does that mean the panfrost_mmu_flush_range() we do at the end of panfrost_mmu_unmap()
> is unnecessary? Is it because, as you said in a previous message, cache lines for
> BOs referenced in a CS are always invalidates before anything else is executed?

Sorry, I wasn't very clear on the wording here - we don't need an
*invalidate* but we do need a *clean*. Midgard/Bifrost hardware doesn't
really give us much control over cache operations - we tend to just
clean everything and blow away the cache (because the GPU's caches are
"small" it's not worth the complexity).

> If we keep the invalidate at the end of the mmu path, then there would be no need
> to mention that all counters being enabled is the ultimate reason why no initial
> flush/invalidate is needed in the perfcnt enable path.

Yes I think relying on all counters being enabled is a bad design. We
can justify the change based on the existing flushes/invalidates we're
doing.

>>>>
>>>
>>> I suppose speculation pre-populating the caches with stale data would be
>>> covered by the flush+inval we do after a map operation (this is
>>> currently done in the unlock path regardless of the VM op, so both map
>>> and unmap get it). I don't know, maybe the goal is to relax the flushing
>>> policy around VM modifications in the future, but if things stay as
>>> they are now, we can assume that a fresh BO being GPU-mapped guarantees
>>> that no cacheline points to it until the first GPU access. But maybe
>>> I'm missing something else...
>>
>> I have to admit I'm coming from experience on CPUs - there speculation
>> means a CPU can load a cache line at basically any point. So the
>> argument that a line cannot be in a cache almost never holds. GPUs (at
>> least Mali GPUs) haven't quite got to the stage of CPUs.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
> 
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-07 13:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-29  3:44 [PATCH v12 00/15] Collection of fixes for Panfrost: Perfcnt, RPM, refactorings Adrián Larumbe
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 01/15] drm/panfrost: Move shrinker initialization and unplug one level down Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-02 13:58   ` Steven Price
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 02/15] drm/panfrost: Move lock and modparam initialisations into their subsystems Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-02 14:06   ` Steven Price
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 03/15] drm/panfrost: Move debugfs initialisation to relevant subsystems Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-02 14:10   ` Steven Price
2026-10-06  0:50     ` Adrián Larumbe
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 04/15] drm/panfrost: Skip NULL checks for clock enable/disabling Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-02 14:14   ` Steven Price
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 05/15] drm/panfrost: Consolidate device clock management and reset Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-02 14:20   ` Steven Price
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 06/15] drm/panfrost: Fix PM refcnt and autosuspend issues at device probe/remove Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-02 14:21   ` Steven Price
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 07/15] drm/panfrost: Explicitly enable MMU interrupts at device init Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-02 14:26   ` Steven Price
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 08/15] drm/panfrost: Move all DRM device initialisation into device_init() Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-02 14:37   ` Steven Price
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 09/15] drm/panfrost: Add warning messages to fatal error conditions Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-02 14:59   ` Steven Price
2026-10-06 15:09     ` Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-07 12:51       ` Steven Price
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 10/15] drm/panfrost: Add debugfs knob for manually triggering a GPU reset Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-02 15:10   ` Steven Price
2026-10-06 13:38     ` Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-07 12:54       ` Steven Price
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 11/15] drm/panfrost: Move perfcnt GPU disable sequence into a helper Adrián Larumbe
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 12/15] drm/panfrost: Skip cache flush/invalidate when enabling perfcnt Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-02 15:14   ` Steven Price
2026-10-05  8:38     ` Boris Brezillon
2026-10-05 15:06       ` Steven Price
2026-10-05 15:37         ` Boris Brezillon
2026-10-05 16:05           ` Steven Price
2026-10-05 16:57             ` Boris Brezillon
2026-10-06 17:42               ` Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-06 17:35             ` Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-07 13:28               ` Steven Price [this message]
2026-10-06 17:18         ` Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-07 13:21           ` Steven Price
2026-10-06 16:45     ` Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-07 13:09       ` Steven Price
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 13/15] drm/panfrost: Avoid cache flush after perfcnt sample in fully coherent systems Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-02 15:28   ` Steven Price
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 14/15] drm/panfrost: Introduce a reset lock Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-02 15:34   ` Steven Price
2026-09-29  3:44 ` [PATCH v12 15/15] drm/panfrost: Fix races between perfcnt and reset sequence Adrián Larumbe
2026-10-02 15:44   ` Steven Price
2026-10-06 14:14     ` Adrián Larumbe

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