From: Yeoreum Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 17/20] attestation: Add CTLV operation handling
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2026 08:57:25 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <au2WdWFOYbPEv0Uj@e129823.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <auy7IM0_S2tv7EZX@FV6GYCPJ69>
On Fri, Nov 06, 2026 at 09:27:42AM +0100, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 02:52:19PM +0100, yeoreum.yun@arm.com wrote:
> >On Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 01:32:49PM +0100, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> >> Wed, Nov 04, 2026 at 08:46:22PM +0100, jgg@ziepe.ca wrote:
> >> >On Wed, Nov 04, 2026 at 07:11:44PM +0000, Yeoreum Yun wrote:
> >> >> [..snip..]
> >> >>
> >> >> > +static int attestation_evidence_request_decode(struct attestation *att, struct ctlv_op_ctx *ctx,
> >> >> > + const struct ctlv_cursor *request,
> >> >> > + struct attestation_evidence_request *decoded,
> >> >> > + struct attestation_evidence_object_request **objects)
> >> >> > +{
> >> >> > + const struct attestation_evidence_caps *caps = att->provider->evidence_caps;
> >> >> > + u32 challenge_length;
> >> >> > +
> >> >> > + decoded->challenge =
> >> >> > + ctlv_attestation_evidence_get_evidence_challenge_get(request, &challenge_length);
> >> >> > + decoded->challenge_length = challenge_length;
> >> >> > + if (challenge_length < caps->min_challenge_length ||
> >> >> > + challenge_length > caps->max_challenge_length)
> >> >>
> >> >> Hmm, I'm not sure whether this check is required for
> >> >> ATTESTATION_EVIDENCE_BLOB_EVENT_LOG blob type.
> >> >>
> >> >> for example, if the provider provides two evidence:
> >> >> - ATTESTATION_EVIDENCE_BLOB_PRIMARY (might attestation token)
> >> >> - ATTESTATION_EVIDENCE_BLOB_EVENT_LOG
> >> >>
> >> >> might challenge is reuiqred for generating the token
> >> >> and this would be marked at min/max_challenge_size in evidence_cap.
> >> >>
> >> >> However, in case of eventlog, it wouldn't require challenge.
> >> >> for example, TPM event log or CCEL event log.
> >> >
> >> >Right
> >> >
> >> >> Do we need some field on attestation_evidence_supported_object whether
> >> >> it requires challenge or not and applies this sanity check per the object?
> >> >>
> >> >> Otherwise, to get eventlog, it would need to send *dummy* challenge
> >> >> always.
> >> >
> >> >I wonder if we should have two interfaces here for signed and unsigned
> >> >evidence? It would be clearer for userspace then when it needs to
> >> >provide a challenge or not.
> >>
> >> Isn't the challenge field provided/not-provided enough?
> >>
> >> Currently on the introspection side, device-get op would provide
> >> challenge-lengths array:
> >>
> >> evidence?:
> >> challenge-lengths[8]:
> >> length?: uint(..4096)
> >> min-length?: uint(..4096)
> >> max-length?: uint(..4096)
> >> objects[16]:
> >> blob-class: evidence-blob-class
> >> max-length: uint
> >> blob-instance?: uint(..u32-max)
> >>
> >> I think it would make sense to have challenge-lengths array per object:
> >>
> >> objects[16]:
> >> blob-class: evidence-blob-class
> >> max-length: uint
> >> blob-instance?: uint(..u32-max)
> >> challenge-lengths[8]:
> >> length?: uint(..4096)
> >> min-length?: uint(..4096)
> >> max-length?: uint(..4096)
> >>
> >> Then the unsigned object would just simply have challenge-lengths empty?
> >
> >This looks good to me. :)
>
> The challenge is one of several open points that all depend on what an
> evidence object is: Rick's TDREPORT, legacy versus DICE Quotes,
> "primary", "raw" and the format strings. Here is my proposal to settle
> these together:
>
> The model:
>
> 1. device-get lists each object with an id, a class (signed, event-log,
> cert-chain or auxiliary), the formats it may come in, its max-length
> and, for signed objects only, challenge-lengths.
> 2. evidence-get names objects by id, as MR ops name MRs, each with its
> output blob. It carries a challenge exactly when it names a signed
> object, and the challenge has to fit each of them.
> 3. The reply gives each object's format, length and, where the TCB
> vouches for it, the TCB's digest. The output is always {label, data}.
> 4. A signed object is made by the call, over the challenge, and never
> reused. The rest are read as they stand.
>
> This settles following issues discussed during this patchset review:
>
> 1. One op, not two. Per-object challenge-lengths tell userspace when to
> pass a challenge, and one call returns the signed object with the log
> and certificates needed to check it.
> 2. TDX's TDREPORT goes: it is MAC'd for the platform, not signed.
> /dev/tdx_guest keeps TDX_CMD_GET_REPORT0.
> 3. TDX's Quote object lists the legacy and the DICE format. The provider
> labels what the host returned and fails on a Quote it cannot label.
> 4. "primary" becomes "signed", manifest joins auxiliary, spdm-vca,
> spdm-measurements and tdisp-report become formats, and signature
> goes, as a signed object carries its own.
> 5. "raw" goes with the representation attr. The TCB digest is a reply
> field, so a blob always holds the object's own bytes.
>
> Formats become an enum each provider family defines, instead of free
> strings. I'm still unsure if format should be entirely provider-specific
> and defined as "extension", or it should be somehow mixture of common
> and provider-specific. Looks there is not really much common
> anyway, so I lean towards provider-specific only. So far I have:
Overall, This is plausible for me with some small question.
>
> ====== ============ ========== ========= ===========================
> Family Format Class Challenge Bytes
> ====== ============ ========== ========= ===========================
[...]
> tpm ek-cert cert-chain none EK certificate from NV
Just a thought, but how are we planning to retrieve
the NV index for EK certificate?
As far as I know, TPM NV storage doesn't support labeling.
Should I assume that the NV index would be specified as part of the
challenge to retrieve the certificate from TPM NV storage?
[...]
> armcca event-log event-log none Realm firmware log, if any
JFYI, this would be a CCEL log like tdx:
- https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/issues/11384
> snp report signed 64 SNP attestation report
> snp cert-table cert-chain none VCEK or VLEK, ASK and ARK
> ====== ============ ========== ========= ===========================
>
> Did I miss something that would break us here?
>
> CTLV layout draft:
>
> device-get reply, caps.evidence:
> objects[16]:
> id: uint(..15)
> class: evidence-class
> # The reply says which one was written.
> formats[4]: evidence-format
> max-length: uint
> # Signed objects only, entries as today.
> challenge-lengths[8]?: ...
> # Descriptive, such as an SPDM slot.
> instance?: uint(..u32-max)
> # When the TCB vouches for the object with a digest.
> tcb-digest-algo?: hash-algo
>
> evidence-get request:
> # Required exactly when a signed object is named.
> challenge?: binary(1..4K)
> objects[16]:
> id: uint(..15)
> data: blob(out, va memfd dma-buf)
> # selection, privlevel, service and options as now.
>
> evidence-get reply:
> # In request order.
> objects[16]:
> format: evidence-format
> length: uint
> tcb-digest?:
> hash-algo: hash-algo
> data: binary(16..64)
> # The generations as now.
>
> Makes sense?
For me, It seems fine.
--
Sincerely,
Yeoreum Yun
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2026-10-20 22:31 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:23 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27 8:34 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 02/20] ctlv: Add the UAPI wire format and family API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:26 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:00 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-20 23:39 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:54 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 18:55 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-27 8:02 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27 14:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 14:48 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-27 15:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 15:55 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-11-05 13:11 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-05 13:51 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-11-05 16:53 ` Yeoreum Yun
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2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:28 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 12:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:07 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:30 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 16:25 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 04/20] Documentation: ctlv: Add userspace ABI Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:06 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 0:11 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22 9:01 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-23 19:23 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-29 18:53 ` Sergii Dmytruk
2026-11-03 10:30 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 05/20] ctlv: Prepare message input handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 0:43 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22 8:27 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 18:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 12:55 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 10:17 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 06/20] ctlv: Prepare blob descriptor validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 07/20] ctlv: Prepare schema validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 08/20] ctlv: Prepare message output handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-02 19:19 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 09/20] ctlv: Prepare VA blob handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 10/20] ctlv: Prepare event queue support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 1:12 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22 9:04 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-26 14:45 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27 12:38 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-11-02 12:49 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 11/20] ctlv: Prepare runtime introspection Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2026-10-26 16:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-30 9:40 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27 10:21 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-30 9:53 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-03 1:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-03 9:29 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-04 17:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 12/20] ctlv: Add device and operation dispatch Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 1:25 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22 9:05 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 18:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 12:58 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-23 14:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-26 13:48 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 13:38 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 13/20] Documentation: ctlv: Describe how to write a family Jiri Pirko
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2026-10-21 16:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 8:22 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 19:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 13:01 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 14/20] attestation: Add the base family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
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2026-10-29 10:04 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-29 18:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-29 19:38 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-30 15:02 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-30 15:05 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-04 17:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-05 12:35 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-05 13:52 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-05 14:02 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 15/20] attestation: Prepare provider and instance core Jiri Pirko
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2026-10-21 13:04 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-29 18:50 ` Sergii Dmytruk
2026-11-04 8:22 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 16/20] attestation: Prepare measurement register journal Jiri Pirko
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2026-11-04 19:11 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-11-04 19:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-05 12:32 ` Jiri Pirko
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