From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
To: Yeoreum Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 17/20] attestation: Add CTLV operation handling
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2026 09:27:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <auy7IM0_S2tv7EZX@FV6GYCPJ69> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <auyKE2sGqtfjk4v5@e129823.arm.com>
Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 02:52:19PM +0100, yeoreum.yun@arm.com wrote:
>On Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 01:32:49PM +0100, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> Wed, Nov 04, 2026 at 08:46:22PM +0100, jgg@ziepe.ca wrote:
>> >On Wed, Nov 04, 2026 at 07:11:44PM +0000, Yeoreum Yun wrote:
>> >> [..snip..]
>> >>
>> >> > +static int attestation_evidence_request_decode(struct attestation *att, struct ctlv_op_ctx *ctx,
>> >> > + const struct ctlv_cursor *request,
>> >> > + struct attestation_evidence_request *decoded,
>> >> > + struct attestation_evidence_object_request **objects)
>> >> > +{
>> >> > + const struct attestation_evidence_caps *caps = att->provider->evidence_caps;
>> >> > + u32 challenge_length;
>> >> > +
>> >> > + decoded->challenge =
>> >> > + ctlv_attestation_evidence_get_evidence_challenge_get(request, &challenge_length);
>> >> > + decoded->challenge_length = challenge_length;
>> >> > + if (challenge_length < caps->min_challenge_length ||
>> >> > + challenge_length > caps->max_challenge_length)
>> >>
>> >> Hmm, I'm not sure whether this check is required for
>> >> ATTESTATION_EVIDENCE_BLOB_EVENT_LOG blob type.
>> >>
>> >> for example, if the provider provides two evidence:
>> >> - ATTESTATION_EVIDENCE_BLOB_PRIMARY (might attestation token)
>> >> - ATTESTATION_EVIDENCE_BLOB_EVENT_LOG
>> >>
>> >> might challenge is reuiqred for generating the token
>> >> and this would be marked at min/max_challenge_size in evidence_cap.
>> >>
>> >> However, in case of eventlog, it wouldn't require challenge.
>> >> for example, TPM event log or CCEL event log.
>> >
>> >Right
>> >
>> >> Do we need some field on attestation_evidence_supported_object whether
>> >> it requires challenge or not and applies this sanity check per the object?
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise, to get eventlog, it would need to send *dummy* challenge
>> >> always.
>> >
>> >I wonder if we should have two interfaces here for signed and unsigned
>> >evidence? It would be clearer for userspace then when it needs to
>> >provide a challenge or not.
>>
>> Isn't the challenge field provided/not-provided enough?
>>
>> Currently on the introspection side, device-get op would provide
>> challenge-lengths array:
>>
>> evidence?:
>> challenge-lengths[8]:
>> length?: uint(..4096)
>> min-length?: uint(..4096)
>> max-length?: uint(..4096)
>> objects[16]:
>> blob-class: evidence-blob-class
>> max-length: uint
>> blob-instance?: uint(..u32-max)
>>
>> I think it would make sense to have challenge-lengths array per object:
>>
>> objects[16]:
>> blob-class: evidence-blob-class
>> max-length: uint
>> blob-instance?: uint(..u32-max)
>> challenge-lengths[8]:
>> length?: uint(..4096)
>> min-length?: uint(..4096)
>> max-length?: uint(..4096)
>>
>> Then the unsigned object would just simply have challenge-lengths empty?
>
>This looks good to me. :)
The challenge is one of several open points that all depend on what an
evidence object is: Rick's TDREPORT, legacy versus DICE Quotes,
"primary", "raw" and the format strings. Here is my proposal to settle
these together:
The model:
1. device-get lists each object with an id, a class (signed, event-log,
cert-chain or auxiliary), the formats it may come in, its max-length
and, for signed objects only, challenge-lengths.
2. evidence-get names objects by id, as MR ops name MRs, each with its
output blob. It carries a challenge exactly when it names a signed
object, and the challenge has to fit each of them.
3. The reply gives each object's format, length and, where the TCB
vouches for it, the TCB's digest. The output is always {label, data}.
4. A signed object is made by the call, over the challenge, and never
reused. The rest are read as they stand.
This settles following issues discussed during this patchset review:
1. One op, not two. Per-object challenge-lengths tell userspace when to
pass a challenge, and one call returns the signed object with the log
and certificates needed to check it.
2. TDX's TDREPORT goes: it is MAC'd for the platform, not signed.
/dev/tdx_guest keeps TDX_CMD_GET_REPORT0.
3. TDX's Quote object lists the legacy and the DICE format. The provider
labels what the host returned and fails on a Quote it cannot label.
4. "primary" becomes "signed", manifest joins auxiliary, spdm-vca,
spdm-measurements and tdisp-report become formats, and signature
goes, as a signed object carries its own.
5. "raw" goes with the representation attr. The TCB digest is a reply
field, so a blob always holds the object's own bytes.
Formats become an enum each provider family defines, instead of free
strings. I'm still unsure if format should be entirely provider-specific
and defined as "extension", or it should be somehow mixture of common
and provider-specific. Looks there is not really much common
anyway, so I lean towards provider-specific only. So far I have:
====== ============ ========== ========= ===========================
Family Format Class Challenge Bytes
====== ============ ========== ========= ===========================
tdx quote signed 64 Intel TDX DCAP Quote
tdx quote-dice signed 64 DICE-based TDX Quote
tdx ccel event-log none ACPI CCEL log area, a TCG
crypto-agile event log
spdm cert-chain cert-chain none SPDM certificate chain,
instance = slot 0-7
spdm vca auxiliary none SPDM version, capabilities
and algorithms transcript
spdm measurements signed 32 SPDM GET_MEASUREMENTS
response
spdm tdisp-report auxiliary none TDISP interface report
tpm quote signed varies TPM2_Quote's attestation
structure and signature
tpm event-log event-log none TCG PC Client crypto-agile
event log
tpm ek-cert cert-chain none EK certificate from NV
armcca token signed 64 CCA attestation token,
platform and realm parts
armcca event-log event-log none Realm firmware log, if any
snp report signed 64 SNP attestation report
snp cert-table cert-chain none VCEK or VLEK, ASK and ARK
====== ============ ========== ========= ===========================
Did I miss something that would break us here?
CTLV layout draft:
device-get reply, caps.evidence:
objects[16]:
id: uint(..15)
class: evidence-class
# The reply says which one was written.
formats[4]: evidence-format
max-length: uint
# Signed objects only, entries as today.
challenge-lengths[8]?: ...
# Descriptive, such as an SPDM slot.
instance?: uint(..u32-max)
# When the TCB vouches for the object with a digest.
tcb-digest-algo?: hash-algo
evidence-get request:
# Required exactly when a signed object is named.
challenge?: binary(1..4K)
objects[16]:
id: uint(..15)
data: blob(out, va memfd dma-buf)
# selection, privlevel, service and options as now.
evidence-get reply:
# In request order.
objects[16]:
format: evidence-format
length: uint
tcb-digest?:
hash-algo: hash-algo
data: binary(16..64)
# The generations as now.
Makes sense?
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2026-10-21 13:23 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27 8:34 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 02/20] ctlv: Add the UAPI wire format and family API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:26 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:00 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-20 23:39 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:54 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 18:55 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-27 8:02 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27 14:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 14:48 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-27 15:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 15:55 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-11-05 13:11 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-05 13:51 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-11-05 16:53 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 03/20] ctlv: Add the root family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:28 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 12:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:07 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:30 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 16:25 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 04/20] Documentation: ctlv: Add userspace ABI Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:06 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 0:11 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22 9:01 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-23 19:23 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-29 18:53 ` Sergii Dmytruk
2026-11-03 10:30 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 05/20] ctlv: Prepare message input handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 0:43 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22 8:27 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 18:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 12:55 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 10:17 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 06/20] ctlv: Prepare blob descriptor validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 07/20] ctlv: Prepare schema validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 08/20] ctlv: Prepare message output handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-02 19:19 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 09/20] ctlv: Prepare VA blob handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 10/20] ctlv: Prepare event queue support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 1:12 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22 9:04 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-26 14:45 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27 12:38 ` Yeoreum Yun
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2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 11/20] ctlv: Prepare runtime introspection Jiri Pirko
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2026-10-26 16:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-30 9:40 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27 10:21 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-30 9:53 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-03 1:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-03 9:29 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-11-04 17:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 12/20] ctlv: Add device and operation dispatch Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 1:25 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22 9:05 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 18:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 12:58 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-23 14:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-26 13:48 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 13/20] Documentation: ctlv: Describe how to write a family Jiri Pirko
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2026-10-29 10:04 ` Jiri Pirko
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2026-10-29 19:38 ` Jiri Pirko
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2026-10-29 18:50 ` Sergii Dmytruk
2026-11-04 8:22 ` Jiri Pirko
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2026-11-04 19:11 ` Yeoreum Yun
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